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Offline Dick Gower

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday March 23, 2011, 11:23:44 UTC »
Sorry to her that folks. 

Dick Gower
Melbourne,
Australia.

Offline proplover

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #16 on: Thursday March 24, 2011, 09:59:55 UTC »
Just to add a footnote on this - had to replace the seals and bleed the system on TY last week!!

The seals that went into 1 cylinder were a really tight fit especially when trying to get the piston over the O ring so all looked well there.  Had a bit of a surprise when taking the other one apart! Had a bit of a struggle to get the circlip out, it then broke in half allowing the piston (under the spring presure) to fly up and out :-O I was lucky as my forehead stopped the unit disapearing into the depths of the hanger although having a few splashes of brake  fluid in the face wasnt much fun!!
I put the new seals in however these went in easier and I suspect this cylinder may have some wear and with the help of Phil at Skytrade received a replacement circlip the next day. It took about 45mins to re-install the cylinders into the aircraft and connect up the piping.
To bleed the brakes I topped up the reserve and left for about 20mins, I then had my mate sit in the cockpit and go through the rudder bar\brake lever routine whilst I dealt with the bleed nipples and topped up the reserve. We alternated between the wheels so that the fluid didnt bubble in each side. The whole routine took about 20-25mins. The brakes certainly hold the aircraft in the hanger although I'll have to wait a week or two before checking them under power.

Offline Dick Gower

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #17 on: Thursday March 24, 2011, 11:48:27 UTC »
Oh! It all sounds so familiar Proplover.  Not a bad effort to get finished in such a relatively short time actually.

Don't forget to rotate the clips so that the open end of the clip is at the same clock position as the master cylinder mounting lug otherwise they wear two great grooves in the push rods. 
Dick Gower
Melbourne,
Australia.

Offline proplover

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #18 on: Friday March 25, 2011, 22:22:14 UTC »
Got the open ends down in the 6 o clock position. Still cant belive I got the piston unit of the 2nd one between the eyes! Wasnt expecting the circlip to break in half!!

Offline Dick Gower

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #19 on: Sunday March 27, 2011, 02:57:36 UTC »
Yes, that definitely is a new Chipmunk experience to add to the list Proplover.  Fun working through that access cover too isn't it.
Dick Gower
Melbourne,
Australia.

Offline proplover

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #20 on: Sunday April 03, 2011, 21:24:55 UTC »
Hmmmmm lucky we have a floor rest unit that has a back support so that took a lot of the effort required to sit and reach up away. The access holes never seem quite big enough on a Chipmunk to actually do any work through!! Ok for a look through but heaven help you if you need to do anything!

Offline yakxx

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #21 on: Saturday April 09, 2011, 10:49:32 UTC »
I have bled my brakes many times over the years without any problems .. as long as one  buys a little pump up container sold at most garden centers for a few pounds and pumps the fluid back up to the master reservoir from the nipple AND  ..very important, slacken off the  piston plunger completely from the two master cylinders...it is very quick  and after bled adjust the two plingers up again until brakes are equal...remember the left cylinder controls the right wheel and vice versa....usually I have them perfect after 10 minuts work............Do it the traditional way get me very frustrated , I just couldnt get all the air out....

Offline Dick Gower

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #22 on: Saturday April 09, 2011, 23:21:48 UTC »
That is interesting YAKXX -  Something new every day with Chipmunks.

What is the theory behind slackening the plungers on the master cylinders?
Dick Gower
Melbourne,
Australia.

Offline yakxx

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #23 on: Sunday April 10, 2011, 16:28:26 UTC »
I wish I knew Dick....but it always works for me.....

Safe flying...

Offline David H

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #24 on: Saturday July 02, 2011, 12:47:24 UTC »
That is interesting YAKXX -  Something new every day with Chipmunks.

What is the theory behind slackening the plungers on the master cylinders?

I had to bleed my brakes again after losing the seal on one of the master cylinders.     I thought about this thread and tried yakxx's method.   Before I put the master cylinder back in, I found that I could push fluid from the rear nipple out through the top nipple with the piston fully again the circle clip - all the way out.   If I pushed the piston in just bit, the fluid was blocked.   So I made sure I used yakxx's method and slackened off the plungers to make sure the piston was fully out and I was able to pump fluid up from the wheel cylinder - what a time saver!!!     I guess when I tried it before the plungers were pushing the cylinders in just enough to stop the fluid from flowing backwards up into the reservoir.

Thank you yakxx

Dave

PS - this was the little pump I used with a short section of hose.

http://www.harborfreight.com/8-oz-high-pressure-oiler-66350.html
1951 DHC-1

Offline Dick Gower

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Re: Bleeding brakes
« Reply #25 on: Sunday July 03, 2011, 01:34:19 UTC »
Thanks Dave - that is very interesting. 

If the diagram in the Dunlop manual is to scale it all makes sense.  It looks as though the main cup seal (ACO4032) blocks the outlet port to the header tank unless the piston is fully back against the circlip.

Good info Yakxx.
Dick Gower
Melbourne,
Australia.