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Offline keith dunbar

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Re: Trip in a Spit ???
« Reply #15 on: Thursday May 24, 2007, 20:11:37 UTC »
Hi Chipmunkees,

We are not alone ! It looks like there are quite a number of folk out there who hanker after a flight in a Spit. See the quote below from Flights4all website. They are trying to get 10,000 aviation enthusiasts to sign up in order to persuade some money men to make 2 seat Spits available for flights. Suggest you look up that website and get signed up. It might help.

So how can I help make Spitfire flights happen?

There are a number of UK entrepreneurs who are keen to make Spitfire flights available to the public, and likewise there is perceived to be a significant demand for those flights.

To make this a reality, it is essential that the demand for Spitfire flights is quantifiable: this means obtaining information about the number of interested people, amount they would be prepared to pay, distance they would travel, etc.

Two things are clear - it will take a lot of money and a significant amount of time to make this dream a reality. Consider the mountainous challenge:

    * Obtain one or more suitable two-seater Spitfires and make them airworthy for passenger flight
    * Locate a suitable airfield and hangarage
    * Employ a skilled maintenance team
    * Meet the relevant legal requirements for flying a Spitfire and then to carry passengers
    * Insure the aircraft and its passengers

Please remember that although your interest and contribution are vital, there can never be any guarantee that Spitfire flights for the aviation enthusiast will become a reality. But we can be sure that a lack of demonstrable enthusiasm will make it that much harder to achieve!

What do I do to help?

On 01 September 2005, Flights4all created the Spitfire 10K Challenge in order to establish a list of ten thousand UK customers who wish to fly in a Spitfire, together with their expectations. This resource will greatly assist aviation entrepreneurs to make a solid business case for providing public access to Spitfire flights.


Register your interest now and don't forget to tell your friends because they want to fly in a Spitfire too!


Keith Dunbar
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Offline keith dunbar

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Re: Trip in a Spit ???
« Reply #16 on: Thursday May 24, 2007, 20:14:39 UTC »
Sorry Guys and Gals - forgot to include the webs address of the site mentioned

Here it is now to paste into your web browser.

http://www.flights4all.com/challenge10k.asp

Keith.

Offline Speechless Two

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Re: Trip in a Spit ???
« Reply #17 on: Thursday May 24, 2007, 23:13:49 UTC »
Well done Keith!! Have registered my interest and mentioned that there is a group of us interested in a flight out of Perth (do the same, guys) - although I'd go anywhere in the UK for a shottie!

Offline proplover

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Re: Trip in a Spit ???
« Reply #18 on: Thursday September 06, 2007, 10:35:53 UTC »
Not been on the site for a while and was just catching up when I spotted this item.
A few corrections to the statements made previously.

All 2 seat Spitfires are Permit to Fly aeroplanes, therefore they are not allowed to carry fare paying passengers and thats why you will not see any operators advertising this oportunity. (the same applies to things such as Hunters, Jet Proverts etc). There was a CAA letter  sent out as it was felt a few jet operators were breaching the rules lastt year.

As they are officially a 2 seat aircraft the owner can take up whoever he wishes, its the question of any form of payment. The difficulty is that the "cost share" criteria is very limited eg fuel, oil etc for that flight only - now it actually costs with ALL things taken into account around an average of £2500 per hour to fly one (depending on total number of hours flown - as you all know things like insurance dont give you a rebate if you've only done 10hrs that year!). The passengers are insured through the aircrafts normally insurance (the amount would vary from operator to operator) however if the CAA deem the flight to be illegal (ie a fare for flying someone has been accepted) then your insurance is invalidated - and the implications should there of been an accident during that flight are enormous.
Note the same would apply to the 2 seat Fury as at the moment it is on the G reg so CAA rules apply.

You can do flight training, you need to have a suitable qualified pilot (ie instructor) and a training plan which you can show the CAA - for this you can charge.

Most operators run Spitfires at a loss, eg to get to the East Fortune airshow we could not charge even the actual costs of flying there, show and return (some 2hrs15mins flying time + fuel) as the organisers simply could not afford that cost for 1 aircraft.

The organisation thats looking for 10,000 people is intresting although I dont think it will cut much ice with the CAA. If they make a rule to cover Spitfires then they have to apply it to all other Permit aeroplanes that could take a passenger. If they do that then whats the point of operators operating things like Harvards, tiger moths etc on Public Transport ratings with all that additional cost. If you try to put a warbird through on Public Transport, even if that was possible the final costs would be !!!!!!!!!! It could be that the CAA are revueing the whole passenger thing so we could be surprised but Im sure that the CAA fees for doing it will be intresting!

If Declans about - must ring you about a chippy cover, winters comming!